IDK report on agnostics

To clearly understand my agnostic view point on death, one must understand that some questions and beliefs have different level of importances.
an example.

Many  Quantum Mathematicians have posed mathematical possibilities
of  parallel universes, universe with different rules than our universe, even a “multi-verse“.

There is little empirical proof in our living world or close proximities in the universe, that other universes truly exist…
…not enough to top all reasonable doubt.
Just the same, not enough empirical evidence to dismiss other universes outside our own.  So it remains a mathematical possibility.

with that said, I don’t know if  parallel universes or a multi-verse  exist.
Do I need to proclaim   one of the statements….

  • I  actively believe in a  multi-verse!
  • I actively do not believe in a muliti-verse!.

Well if my career was astrophysics whether I believe or not, maybe important.
For the curiosity’s sake,  the possibility is worth investigating.
However, in my   life, my world that I live in, my reality.. its not important or relevant as other belief statements…..

It is more important just to be able to say I don’t know“.

Same goes for other supernatural questions.. As an agnostic
I do not know if consciousness leaves to another supernatural place  after death. I do not know what happens after existence.
For me, it is not as important as questions pertaining to this life or existence.
Its ok to say I don’t know, whether I suspect one way or the other or neither way.
This is not a matter of belief/disbelief  that creates ambivalence in my  life, presently.
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My pet cat passed away this week.
I am not concerned of beliefs of where his spirit or consciousness went after existence.
I am only concerned with remembering his existence…
he had a pretty good life.
he was a good friend.
I feel the loss.

Thats far more important and meaningful to me than metaphysical statements of beliefs or disbeliefs in an afterlife.

for these questions, and many others I answer
I don’t know…
and thats ok .
authors note: Tiger , the cat passed away along time ago this is a consolidated post

Truth happens to an idea. It becomes true, is made true by events. Its verity is in fact an event, a process: the process namely of its verifying itself, its veri-fication.

When  I read what William James published in “The Meaning of Truth”  I believed he was refering to the truth of ideas proposed by a single person or group of persons, a single consciousness or a collective of consciousness within their existence(s).   One  constantly tests  his/her stream of ideas within present environmental experiences and social experiences, and then with his/her memory of experiences… to judge a notion true or  not.
Navigating this uncertain world is certainly easier  by  taking an Agnostic position in regards to knowledge, and a willing to do the work of verifying ideas:  in participation and in experience.  But that’s just my opinion.  So  to start with an Agnostic attitude, what is “Agnosticism?”

Revised posted

Agnostic Conditions ” was originally posted on May 3, 2009

Agnostic – definition: not knowing or unknowing
What, then is the definition of Agnosticism?. If the definition of the root agnostic is “not knowing, or unknowing”, it is doubtful that one can define any full intellectual system of Agnosticism.–Much in the same manner one cannot with other “-isms” such as existentialism or postmodernism.
I was thinking about Jean-François Lyotard’s phrase: ” Postmodern Condition” , which is  a loose  bundle  of observations and criticisms about Modernism. (specifically: these postmodern conditions are conditions that expose Modern ideas of “progress, “Meta-Narratives”, “cause-effect”,”objectivity” of Modernity as fallacious. ).

“Knowledge in general cannot be reduced to science, nor even to learning. Learning is the set of statements which, to the exclusion of all other statements, denote or describe objects and may be declared true or false. Science is a subset of learning. It is also composed of denotative statements, but imposes two supplementary conditions on their acceptability: the objects to which they refer must be available for repeated access, in other words, they must be accessible in explicit conditions of observation; and it must be possible to decide whether or not a given statement pertains to the language judged relevant by the experts.”

Jean-François Lyotard reportedly changed his stance on the relationship of science , knowledge and the underlying importance. his point remains , science is tedious with relationships to available prior knowledge and objects to test.

Afterall , how can science universally consider , that what has never been experienced !
Where than , lies the importance of “knowing” , “science” or investigating in my day to day life. How taxing my time , energy and body is the need or importance to know about something

The greatest weapon against stress is our ability to choose one thought over another.

William James

A Report on Agnosticm

I wonder that if instead of an “Agnosticism”, there was  a set of Agnostic Conditions, that were a reaction to theories of knowledge.
So I came up with a few agnostic conditions of my own:

Knowledge

  • Our total knowledge of all details is limited.
  • Nothing is absolutely known. What is “known” is based upon acceptable supporting evidence and verification.
  • Knowledge is limited to the collective experience, communication means and data storage of a group or person.
  • Knowledge is inseparable from consciousness. (which includes, previous and current meanings, bias, and introjection, etc)

Reality

  • A definition of Objective Reality: “what is real is measurable” as defined by classical physics; accepted as universal.
  • A definition of Subjective Reality: what is experienced, and accept as real by a single consciousness. such as the cognation of an organism’s interactions.
  • A definition of Intersubjective Reality. the collected objects, events, structures, descriptions, meanings, principles, etc that are shared as “real” between  subjective consciousness* conscious beings (organisms)
  • A definition of Absolute Reality: the way things truly happen, whether comprehensible or not.

Meaning.

  • meaningful… description of information, that is:
    • that is formed out of background of discord
    • that is relative: relative  to a topic, study, paradigm, “game” , time-space location, happening, or world- view.
    • that is defined  in language, symbols or gesture, for clarification or communication
    • that is prioritized in importance – intellectually and emotionally.
    • that is  prioritized   compared to other meanings in the  context… social, personal, environmental contexts
  • meaninglessness:  information that is not meaningful and therefore  remains, or is relegated to the background.

Uncertainty

Uncertainty. Image from Wikipedia.org

  • I  decide that “X” is true, false, or probable. I could be wrong.
  • I do not have to decide if “X” is true, false, or probable  with out the considering the  agnostic conditions   ( of Knowledge, Reality, Meaning).
  • Uncertainty is inherent in the nature of things,  actions and decisions.

I think that agnostic conditions are an important considerations when studying epistemology and knowledge theories, and when making decisions and actions. They are a criticism and completion of such. For me, this is a definition for agnosticism: a set of conditions.

As for the repetitive question is “Does God exist”?
Well, one ,must define what he means when he ask about  “God” or gods, because there have been many definitions over time ,cultures contexts and subjective view points. How important is to know if God or gods exists or not?  Is it as meaningful  a question as to ask  “is there intelligent  life on other planets?, or knowing what goes on in other people lives in other countries?     It might be.  It might not be.

I don’t know.

* edited for clarity and grammar  11-17-2014

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Agnostic Conditions

Agnostic – definition: not knowing or unknowing

What, then is the definition of Agnosticism?. If the definition of the root agnostic is “not knowing, or unknowing”, it is doubtful that one can define any full intellectual system of Agnosticism.–Much in the same manner one cannot with other “-isms” such as existentialism or postmodernism.
I was thinking about Jean-François Lyotard’s phrase: ” Postmodern Condition” , which is  a loose  bundle  of observations and criticisms about Modernism. (specifically: these postmodern conditions are conditions that expose Modern ideas of “progress, “Meta-Narratives”, “cause-effect”,”objectivity” of Modernity as fallacious. ).

I wonder that if instead of an “Agnosticism”, there was  a set of Agnostic Conditions, that were a reaction to theories of knowledge.
So I came up with a few agnostic conditions of my own:

Knowledge

  • Our total knowledge of all details is limited.
  • Nothing is absolutely known. What is “known” is based upon acceptable supporting evidence and verification.
  • Knowledge is limited to the collective experience, communication means and data storage of a group or person.
  • Knowledge is inseparable from consciousness. (which includes, previous and current meanings, bias, and introjection, etc)

Reality

  • A definition Objective Reality: “what is real is measurable” as defined by classical physics.
  • A definition of Subjective Reality: what is experienced, and accept as real by a single consciousness. such as the cognation of an organism’s interactions.
  • A definition of Intersubjective Reality. the collected objects, events, structures, descriptions, meanings, principles, etc that are shared as “real” between  subjective consciousness.
  • A definition of Absolute Reality: the way things truly happen.

Meaning.

  • meaningful… description of information, that is:
    • that is formed out of background of discord
    • that is relative: relative  to a topic, study, paradigm, “game” , time-space location, happening, or world- view.
    • that is defined  in language, symbols or gesture,
    • that is prioritized in importance – intellectually and emotionally.
  • meaninglessness:  information that is not meaningful and therefore  remains, or is relegated to the background.

Uncertainty

Uncertainty. Image from Wikipedia.org

  • I  decide that “X” is true, false, or probable. I could be wrong.
  • I do not have to decide if “X” is true, false, or probable  with out the considering the  agnostic conditions   ( of Knowledge, Reality, Meaning).
  • Uncertainty is inherent in the nature of things,  actions and decisions.

I think that agnostic conditions are an important considerations when studying epistemology and knowledge theories, and when making decisions and actions. They are a criticism and completion of such. For me, this is a definition for agnosticism: a set of conditions.

As for the repetitive question is “Does God exist”?
Well, one ,must define what he means when he ask about  “God” or gods, because there have been many definitions over time ,cultures, and subjective view points. How important is to know if God or gods exists or not?  Is it as meaningful  a question as to ask  “is there intelligent  life on other planets?, or knowing what goes on in other people lives in other countries?     It might be.  It might not be.
I don’t know.

on Being Empirical, Rational and Epistemologally Plural.

An old Economist  joke revised:

Two economy professors walk into  into a crowded bar .  One  pointed to the ground  and says “look! five dollar bill “. “It can’t be.” replied the Other.   “If it were somebody would have picked it up by now.”

This is  rational expectation in “rational choice theory”.  The  punch line of the joke is that  professors the believes in his principles of logic so strongly that he ignores the facts.  His rational expectation is only a prediction based on a logical foundation. It is only a prediction because circumstance challenges foundation.

I  flip a silver dollar coin  nine  consecutive times and in all nine times tails came up heads . I am now going to a flip the coin a tenth  and final time.

Janus CoinIs it more likely that the coin comes up heads again like it had before?   Or should I bet that the coin flip more likely ends in tails because it tails is due.  What does my experience tell me?
Using Mathematics, we know that neither is more likely: the outcome of a coin flip is 50%  likely to heads, and 50% likely to be tails….each time a coin is flipped, regardless of the past or future.
Thinking otherwise is called “Gamblers Fallacy”. Casinos count on this fallacy to make money..

Whether one relies more on evidence, facts and experience or whether one relies on logic, principles and mathematical predictions… One must consider both being empirical and rational, considering both apparent surface circumstance and the deeper connective constancy.

Empirical worldThe Science of Physics, beginning with Isaac Newton is a universal volume of rule to explain the surface of happenings, constantly being tweaked by new hypothesis and rigorous experimentation.
In that sense  found Newton an early  way to merge rationalism and empiricism to explain the way things work in the common denominator of the natural world.   Science and its method  strongly suggests that all that happens – or- is… follows the same rules.

But Science is largely incomplete,  does not always directly  address how one makes choices in his daily life, and says little about Ethics, Aesthetics or subjective conditions.
I may know what, why, or how things happen much of the time… but how should I or others act? what about quality and  non- quantitative measurable experiences?

Epistemological Pluralism.

Although the rational-empirical synthesis including science and technology  have been productive in age of reason, Its clear our knowledge  is  far from complete :  It maybe necessary to integrate or incorporate  other modes of thought, problem solving and investigations.
Some other modes of thinking  for  assimilating:

Pragmatism:

Does earth rotate around the sun? or does the Sun and other planets, stars wobble around a earth at the center?

It seems odd, but one  could argue either way.
Ultimately, It is more practical, in science and education to say the Earth Rotates  around the Sun.– the sun being the center of a “solar System”.  That’s how its taught to us in science class.

Pragmatism assumes pluralism.  There maybe two or more ways to interpret: an idea; proposal; or policy… The meaningfulness, or validity of each interpretation is defined by its usefulness and consequences in concrete reality– verifiable by experience.  That is, the most practical, or  most concretely useful interpretation of an idea,  policy, definition, or strategy is the correct one.
Some say we define objects, carve them out in our reality ,due to the objects associate usefulness, example I know a chair when I see one because of how  a chair is used in my life.
Pure pragmatism has its own consequence on its own, someone could justify any action as true by rationalizing its immediate usefulness.  With no other principles, and a too small a bracket of experience,   pure pragmatism- of- the- moment may leave one with unstable fluctuating world- view.   But integrated with reason and  experience I believe it is sound.
Pragmatism may ultimately be a way of deciding which paradigm is most useful for a task, in epistemological  pluralism.

Phenomenological Investigations
An important form of investigation is perspective-taking or “feeling-into“. An individual imagines other being’s circumstances, and the participation, capacity, cognition of other beings (people and animals) in those circumstances, checking in with his own emotions and cognition.
This holistic (mind/body)  form of investigation is a constantly evolving mix of logic, emotion, past experience, and unbias observation. Mixed with reason it is a powerful tool for developing personal ethics ;   understanding of other experiences  and other circumstances, and developing  choice- making of  “doing what feels right“.
Buddhist refer to this as this as “compassion” and western philosophers, humanist and existentialist refer to this as “Empathy“.

Meditation
A phenomenological method of letting go of bias and mental clutter to experience unity and connectivity to the concrete (and for some spirit).    Also a method of of mysticism, and a way to realize nature  that  transcends using  Reason alone.  Much is written by me  on this blog, from a  Zen perspective.
SEE the Meditation Category.

Deconstruction.
Somewhat esoteric form of intellectual criticism. Deconstruction is a way of critical thinking from a nihilistic percspective.
decontsruction serves to expose or extract the cultural bias, norms, zeitgeist, symbolism, self containment, meaning, modes of thinking, and or absurdity of a “text”.
A “text” code be anything from film, law books, to music that reflect the thinking time or genre….
Deconstruction is a way to think outside of the box.

Figure and Ground.
Some say  a social movement can be studied by comparing it to what is not.
For example: one might critique “Feminism in Twentieth Century” as to where it contacts “What is not Feminism” in the Twentieth Century.
What happens when a social movement meets, conflicts, withdraws or compares with what -is- not  the movement in the era, gives definition to a movement.  Imagine a figure in a picture against its back round, where the figure is shaped by its edges..  Gestalt social theory is not in vogue, probably because there aren’t many rules.
But it is an interesting way of thinking,  The Figure/ground concept is prevalent in Eastern Philosophies pertaining to phenomena , Holism, Field Theory and gestalt  psychology of perception.
This may give us some ways of looking at social phenomenon that scientific method has difficulty with.

Hermeneutics
Hermeneutics is a  broad  branch of study pertaining to    interpreting  Scripture , Law, myth and  parable stories … the meaning ,the language ,and  the symbolism.
Hermeneutics  also included the process of interpretation of texts.  For example:
When The U.S Supreme Court interprets  the U.S.  constitution, ratified in 1788  the federal judges consider  the intentions of the Constitutions authors  when they wrote the words.
Another Example:  Protestant reformer Martin Luther postulated that interpreting meaning in the Bible rest in the authority of the reader.
So where does the meaning of scripture, law and myth reside? the writer in his time zeitgeist? the reader in his time, age in zeitgeist.  Who has the authority to interperet meaning? All these are important in  anthropological and cultural study. Hermeneutics is that investigation.

Conclusion:
There are many other more modes of thinking.
Why is pluralism so important?   Why do we need to integrate and incorporate other paradigms into our thinking  ?
As Abraham Maslow, early humanistic  psychologist ,once said, “”If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.”   Have only one way to solve difficulties and interpret,   than we tend to  know  things in  only one manner.  If we are to understand and study reality in all its  richness and  facets, including science, the humanities, ethics, aesthetics, well being, then we need to have many different kinds of tools.

Alan Watts talks the human game

posted at Youtube by sounds132.

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Alan Watts speaks of  human game (of the individuality)… where he states much of our anxiety is our temporal interpretation of a “universe at play”.

….
your purpose young being is..
in not in your end,
it is not in your beginning.
anxiety is a meter of end points
,
sing your song
not the note
before the first
after the last

—Chris

….
Viewing life as a time line is a very handy thing to do.  it allows us to predict, and find casualty of events  in our modern life.
It is  the core our modern thinking, with such as topics as “progress” and cause-effect science.  we have grown up with this thinking: refined in our educational institutions.
However the past and future concern can take us away from our “here and now” being…. creating anxiety.

our most un-anxious being… is our spontaneous being where we are not concern with our time lines.

let X=X

Music is often used for trance or meditation.
soft music, Enya, New Age, Nature.
I often like Laurie Anderson’s:”Big Science“. An album of music from Anderson’s Multimedia post modern stage shows from the late 1970s.
Someone made a video to the song “Let x=x“, an exert from Big science.

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the mellow, sterile drone; Laurie’s deadpan and sharp witted narration; and the interplay of horns….
let X=X. Let simplicity be simplicity
Mindful meditation is about letting go of ones normal thinking process for a short period.
Being both relaxed and confidently alert… And taking in with the senses.
In the case of music for meditation…taking in with just hearing.
pretty cool video made by youtuber :” sarcophogaxx“.
also great to see young people remember the classics, like Laurie Anderson.

cosmic saxophone

We live our lives
between the music
and the noise.

brazen ear
Thundering Windpipes

tap tap feet
amplifier nerves.
feedback loops

until the music
and the noise
blur into one.

they were always one.
they will continue to be one
Echo chamber universe
echoes of the big bang.

~

John Zorn —Hemophiliac (turn down your speakers)



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Submissions in the Post Modern Life

I have grown up in the modern world. An I have chosen to participate in it. I have a car, a computer a Television. I live in a friendly, some times violent community. But as i enjoy the comforts of life, i am plagued by the anxieties and pains of the fast paced world.

Like most people, from time to time, I looked at our human history and evolution, and feel the desire to make peace with my elements. We will all die one day, our modern existence will end. We will all physically return to the dust, spirit, or energy that we are constructed of.
I see meditation is key component to find peace my body. It helps to relieve some unpleasant symptoms, that are rooted deep with in me the deep fear of death, and the intense will to live..
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Submissions

the hardest part of submission
is trusting intuition
through all the compositions
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grieving the gripping complexities
grieving cerebral tendencies…
yet our matter shall soon be free
Back to stardust, void or deity.
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submission’s painful irony
the willingness to be free
is within our phenomenology
the painful loving life journey.
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the hardest part of submission
is finding peace with our composition
and trusting intuition.

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As Kierkegaard once wrote:”Life must be understood backwards; but… it must be lived forward.” But as i move forward in the post modern world, I am also on a journey to make peace with from where i came from. It all happens in the Here & Now.