intersubjective disagreements, Markets and Democracy

I still believe democracy is still important.  I also believe in the spirit of civil rights: that a person has ownership over his body  and is free to cognate (think, feel,  be attract to, be mindful of) as  he/she wishes  — whether I  like what or how or a person thinks or not.  Its really that outward actions   that one places guidelines and restrictions on — this: responsibility part of freedom/responsibility.   what one “owns”,  one is responsible for. Freedom and responsibility are intertwined.

This is an ideal condition. More accurately i believe most people are best suited gaining relative freedom, responsibility, and self-sustainability, whether by pursuing these concepts or recognizing opportunity as they come along.  Physical and circumstantial conditions  can  limit these realizations for any person. However I am going to stick to an ideal concepts for now.

If freedom of choice and thought  is  individual right to  cognate as he/she wishes, then responsibility is something that includes more than an individual.. a group or a society.  How can a group of free thinking and choosing  individuals, with so many different attitudes and thought processes, come together and decide how not to trample over each other with their actions?

The following  video  is an interesting video that suggests that Democracy is, metaphorically, a intersubjective market place for  individuals to decide standard value and meaning in a group dynamic…  such as community or society.

The following was revised from post
subjective disagreements, market and intersubjectivity
posted originally 6-06-2011

A market, group or society makes decisions on values and meanings as a whole while its  diversity   engines the interaction between components or individuals.

Interesting video  shared by     entitled “Intersubjectivity“.

The narrator uses the example of a stock in a market to demonstrate how intersubjective relationships determine value. As he demonstrates on the chalkboard   it is the the whole of a free  market that determines a price of a stock, and  the  market requires  subjective disagreements between individuals with  different perspectives to work. That is, without the differences of subjective  valuing of a particular stock,  with different subjective  opinions of  the individual  buyers, sellers , no trading activity would take place.

Even though the participants  have come  to this market with similar interests: business, market trading, interest in a the same stock, …it is the difference of their belief  ( in particular the worth and value of a stock) that makes the market work.

If I look at this Market as a simplified model of a society, what can I infer?
Although people often seek out common interests, values and other people like themselves… its the diversification  of people in a democratic society that sets the societies values.
We are in a society as bound by our differences and disagreements  as we are bound by our similarities.
if  our economy is engined by the diversity of subjective disagreement in valuing, diversity of professions, I may assume that socially …as  communities or nations… we are better with diversity. Diversity  in  faiths, philosophies, opinions, conservative and liberal view points, life styles, etc.

What can we live with?
A society makes decisions as a whole based on values and belief  that are different then its  individuals. This means to preserve our individual rights, beliefs  and values we must tolerate  other subjective rights, beliefs an values, and come to common decisions we can all live with, decide by a democratic society as a whole.

Intersubjective Ethics.

A  democratic society  of individuals in complex relationship  is  powered by its diversity of subjective view points  and lifestyles ,as it is its common-ness.

If  we do agree  as a  democratic society that diversity is a necessary….or  at least diversity is a positive attribute, than we  must have some definition of tolerance.
One must be able  demonstrate patience and fairness when dealing other individuals who think, believe and act differently then himself, if not welcome the differences.
One must be able to deal fairly with people differing faith, ethnicity, health, education , background,  gender and age, etc that is different then themselves, as they have different needs and values, but are just  as important to a society.
Tolerance is an important  personal ethic to define, just as  other intersubjective  ethics such as reciprocity and dignity.

Society and the individual.
I think that, if we look objectively at societies as gestalts of intersubjective interaction, we can better understand the relationship of the individual to society. At the same time individuals interact within a spectrum of agreeing and disagreeing values ,beliefs, and perspectives  they also come together to make decisions as a whole in  democratic community, nation, or society.

And if you disagree with me, I will respect that. :)

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Woods on a Snowy Evening

Woods-Dark-and-Deep

Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening by R. Frost

 

Whose woods these are I think I know.
His house is in the village though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow.

My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.

He gives his harness bells a shake
To ask if there is some mistake.
The only other sound’s the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.


Robert Frost,
Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening” from The Poetry of Robert Frost, edited by Edward Connery Lathem. Copyright 1923, © 1969 by Henry Holt and Company, Inc., renewed 1951, by Robert Frost.
additional resource: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/

“Stopping by Woods on a Snowing Evening” is one of my favorite poems. It was one of my fathers favorite poems –fitting for a man who spent much of his life hiking in the woods and taking his family to state and county parks. I recited this poem at my fathers remembrance in July.

Both dad and I read a lot. We spoke oft of the literary theme of “What is it to be Human“. “What is it to be human” is explored in Frost’s Poem. What is… human-nature
The protagonist narrator stops to watch these woods fill up with snow, they are lovely dark and deep. Yet his horse, accompanying and journeying with him, cannot understand. What is to be human? to be able to enjoy the aesthetics of a his surroundings, to find a rich symbolism.. for peace, (perhaps even death -as many readers of the poem have suggested). The narrator protagonist, after enjoying the moment, returns to his sense of responsibility, shared by loyal companion upon their journey.
He has promises to keep. And Miles to go before he sleep.
Dad had alway encouraged a sense of responsibility in me. I have miles to go before I sleep.

Recently, donated by family members, a tree was planted in remembrance of Dad.

Planting Potatoes and Paternal Wisdom

Without the daily prescribed medication: I would lose my ability to think rationally, and my attention span would dwindle to nothing, my body would creep into overdrive. I could feel this at the end of a work day as the medicine wore off and it scared me every day. Without the medication I could become more and more manic, eventually I would have to be hospitalize or worse… risk being incarcerated in prison.

This was one of the new realities of “Bipolar Disorder“. I was in my late twenties and just diagnosed . and there is more:
The daily medication was very expensive. without them,  I was a risk to myself or (mildly)to society.  So I had to work a full time job to pay for the medication.  I had to pay for and take the medication to work the full time job and remain part of society.

  • No medication or no work meant catastrophe.
  • Anytime with the medication, meant dealing with side effects, or the meds could stop working.
  • Miss time at work and I could lose my job.
  • Life was a daily cycle of fending off catastrophe.

I found this cycle frustrating, and I complain to my Father ( I had just moved home with my parents):

All I do is work ,so I can pay for bipolar disorder management, so I can work, so I can pay  for bipolar disorder...”

Dad’s replied with  a sympathetic grin:congratulations!.. you now have a child.

A truth blunted with humor.  The message was clear. The message , clearly and poetically stated  from a war veteran (Dad) ,who came home to raise a family while he worked (some times two jobs ) and finished college.
I had a new life-long responsibility. I was responsible for managing my health (the best I could). I was learning to be responsible to my self, family and community by doing what it to takes to manage my circumstances… Just like any other responsibility. I would do my best to repay those who helped me in those difficult days… especially my parents.

My father passed away recently and I am reminded of his wisdom on being responsible.
He also encouraged me to plant a potato just for fun (the photo above). It just bloomed recently.